Comments on: India, Pakistan and South Africa as offshore options for software development http://www.oneafrikan.com/archives/2005/02/18/india-pakistan-and-south-africa-as-offshore-options-for-software-development/ Share what you know, Learn what you don't. This is the evolution of one Afrikan. Sat, 06 Sep 2008 03:06:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: raj http://www.oneafrikan.com/archives/2005/02/18/india-pakistan-and-south-africa-as-offshore-options-for-software-development/#comment-90530 raj Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:20:02 +0000 http://www.oneafrikan.com/archives/2005/02/18/india-pakistan-and-south-africa-as-offshore-options-for-software-development/#comment-90530 Accoring to world bank report the most growing Country in IT is Pakistan... and according to indian newspaper instrustructure of pakistan better than india....such as they have proper Water system, gas lines, road system and esspecially telecom. Accoring to world bank report the most growing Country in IT is Pakistan…

and according to indian newspaper instrustructure of pakistan better than india….such as they have proper Water system, gas lines, road system and esspecially telecom.

]]> By: Sohail Siddiqui http://www.oneafrikan.com/archives/2005/02/18/india-pakistan-and-south-africa-as-offshore-options-for-software-development/#comment-70111 Sohail Siddiqui Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:22:59 +0000 http://www.oneafrikan.com/archives/2005/02/18/india-pakistan-and-south-africa-as-offshore-options-for-software-development/#comment-70111 I agree with Prakash, Pakistan is not qualified to compare with India in Software outsourcing, one Pakistan did not produce enough qualified candidates and another major factor was its stability, law and order. But we spent enormous amount of resouce and time to build an excellent team of developers in Islamabad, the best practice we think is have a project manager or some time a lead developer working from our main office in Naperville (A suburb of Chicago). Though this may sounds like an expense but a hybrid model always reduced time and same time produced quality of work. Sohail (Sid) Siddiqui IHSYSTEM Data Center Managed Hosting & OffShore Development I agree with Prakash, Pakistan is not qualified to compare with India in Software outsourcing, one Pakistan did not produce enough qualified candidates and another major factor was its stability, law and order. But we spent enormous amount of resouce and time to build an excellent team of developers in Islamabad, the best practice we think is have a project manager or some time a lead developer working from our main office in Naperville (A suburb of Chicago). Though this may sounds like an expense but a hybrid model always reduced time and same time produced quality of work.

Sohail (Sid) Siddiqui
IHSYSTEM Data Center
Managed Hosting & OffShore Development

]]> By: MaxTheITpro http://www.oneafrikan.com/archives/2005/02/18/india-pakistan-and-south-africa-as-offshore-options-for-software-development/#comment-50423 MaxTheITpro Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:50:53 +0000 http://www.oneafrikan.com/archives/2005/02/18/india-pakistan-and-south-africa-as-offshore-options-for-software-development/#comment-50423 I think Vietnam is going to be a powerful force in IT outsourcing -- fast!! I went to school with a lot of brilliant Vietnamese students in Canada and I have crazy respect for their science/mathematical aptitude. One of my best friends moved back to Hanoi and I'm trying to get her to seriously look into starting up an IT firm there where I can pass future projects on to her. Stay tuned! I think Vietnam is going to be a powerful force in IT outsourcing — fast!!
I went to school with a lot of brilliant Vietnamese students in Canada and I have crazy respect for their science/mathematical aptitude. One of my best friends moved back to Hanoi and I’m trying to get her to seriously look into starting up an IT firm there where I can pass future projects on to her. Stay tuned!

]]> By: Gareth Knight http://www.oneafrikan.com/archives/2005/02/18/india-pakistan-and-south-africa-as-offshore-options-for-software-development/#comment-49891 Gareth Knight Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:19:23 +0000 http://www.oneafrikan.com/archives/2005/02/18/india-pakistan-and-south-africa-as-offshore-options-for-software-development/#comment-49891 Hi Prakash Some good points which need to be considered, and in my experience the weighing up of all of these factors when considering an offshore partner is probably the hardest thing that can be done. Certainly not the easiest! My advice is always to start small and then to go larger with outsourced work, so that you limit your risk. When you do find an outsource gem, stick with them! Hi Prakash

Some good points which need to be considered, and in my experience the weighing up of all of these factors when considering an offshore partner is probably the hardest thing that can be done. Certainly not the easiest!

My advice is always to start small and then to go larger with outsourced work, so that you limit your risk. When you do find an outsource gem, stick with them!

]]> By: Prakash http://www.oneafrikan.com/archives/2005/02/18/india-pakistan-and-south-africa-as-offshore-options-for-software-development/#comment-49123 Prakash Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:56:06 +0000 http://www.oneafrikan.com/archives/2005/02/18/india-pakistan-and-south-africa-as-offshore-options-for-software-development/#comment-49123 Having seen the offshoring from the US and in India, I can say that the main problems for India are the following: 1. Infrastructure - It may not be as big a problem in software as in manufacturing, but it remains a problem. For instance, a place like Bangalore is difficult to attract companies due to the crowded roads making it difficult for people to work there. 2. Talent - While India might have a lot of people, good people are hard to find and harder to retain. It is estimated by my company that this factor increases the cost substantially. I would suggest that for more difficult problems like high end algorithms to go to India and look at other options for low end stuff. I do not think that Pakistan is qualified to be compared to India, just as India cannot be compared to China in manufacturing. While their growth may be high, they do not have the required number for work like search engines. That kind of work requires a lot of trained people, which cannot be found in Pakistan, Phillipines or Vietnam. Law and Order is another reason why people prefer India to Pakistan. In fact, people choose some states in India for this reason, apart from reliable power, roads, universities and readiness of people to cut the red tape for incoming investments. Having seen the offshoring from the US and in India, I can say that the main problems for India are the following:

1. Infrastructure - It may not be as big a problem in software as in manufacturing, but it remains a problem. For instance, a place like Bangalore is difficult to attract companies due to the crowded roads making it difficult for people to work there.

2. Talent - While India might have a lot of people, good people are hard to find and harder to retain. It is estimated by my company that this factor increases the cost substantially.

I would suggest that for more difficult problems like high end algorithms to go to India and look at other options for low end stuff.

I do not think that Pakistan is qualified to be compared to India, just as India cannot be compared to China in manufacturing. While their growth may be high, they do not have the required number for work like search engines. That kind of work requires a lot of trained people, which cannot be found in Pakistan, Phillipines or Vietnam. Law and Order is another reason why people prefer India to Pakistan. In fact, people choose some states in India for this reason, apart from reliable power, roads, universities and readiness of people to cut the red tape for incoming investments.

]]> By: jk http://www.oneafrikan.com/archives/2005/02/18/india-pakistan-and-south-africa-as-offshore-options-for-software-development/#comment-44839 jk Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:31:29 +0000 http://www.oneafrikan.com/archives/2005/02/18/india-pakistan-and-south-africa-as-offshore-options-for-software-development/#comment-44839 On this side of the pond, the NY Times had a feature the other day on skills shortages in India. Coupled with the Economist's recent feature on the "Search for Talent", I think the dust is settling, and people are realizing what's common sense: good people are always hard to find. (Which might lead one to conclude that the US should start taking its public education system a little more seriously, but that's another story !) http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/17/world/asia/17india.html On this side of the pond, the NY Times had a feature the other day on skills shortages in India. Coupled with the Economist’s recent feature on the “Search for Talent”, I think the dust is settling, and people are realizing what’s common sense: good people are always hard to find. (Which might lead one to conclude that the US should start taking its public education system a little more seriously, but that’s another story !)

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/17/world/asia/17india.html

]]> By: jamal nasir http://www.oneafrikan.com/archives/2005/02/18/india-pakistan-and-south-africa-as-offshore-options-for-software-development/#comment-44754 jamal nasir Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:24:59 +0000 http://www.oneafrikan.com/archives/2005/02/18/india-pakistan-and-south-africa-as-offshore-options-for-software-development/#comment-44754 although the population of india and paksitan are not same but still there is a comparison because economy of both countries are almost same, furthermore people feel the same confidence in outsourcing a project to pakistan as in case of india. do visit my web: http://www.sbmc.com.pk cheers Jamal. although the population of india and paksitan are not same but still there is a comparison

because economy of both countries are almost same, furthermore people feel the same confidence in outsourcing a project to pakistan as in case of india.

do visit my web:

http://www.sbmc.com.pk

cheers

Jamal.

]]> By: Gareth Knight http://www.oneafrikan.com/archives/2005/02/18/india-pakistan-and-south-africa-as-offshore-options-for-software-development/#comment-44664 Gareth Knight Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:35:16 +0000 http://www.oneafrikan.com/archives/2005/02/18/india-pakistan-and-south-africa-as-offshore-options-for-software-development/#comment-44664 @Leah - I'll have a dig around, but most of the stuff I know is already in this blog, or is in my head ;-) Try these links for starters: http://www.oneafrikan.com/index.php?s=offshore http://www.oneafrikan.com/index.php?s=software development If I find anything I'll mail it to you. @Santosh - just sent you an email meant for Leah! Thanks for the links and keep your blog going! ;-) @Leah - I’ll have a dig around, but most of the stuff I know is already in this blog, or is in my head ;-)
Try these links for starters:
http://www.oneafrikan.com/index.php?s=offshore
http://www.oneafrikan.com/index.php?s=software development

If I find anything I’ll mail it to you.

@Santosh - just sent you an email meant for Leah!
Thanks for the links and keep your blog going!
;-)

]]> By: Santosh http://www.oneafrikan.com/archives/2005/02/18/india-pakistan-and-south-africa-as-offshore-options-for-software-development/#comment-44128 Santosh Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:04:10 +0000 http://www.oneafrikan.com/archives/2005/02/18/india-pakistan-and-south-africa-as-offshore-options-for-software-development/#comment-44128 Gareth, The latest reports on offshoring .... http://www.acm.org/globalizationreport/pdf/fullfinal.pdf Find more about that in my blog http://smallpanda.wordpress.com/2006/10/04/principles-that-all-countries-can-follow-to-mount-an-effective-response-to-offshoring/ http://smallpanda.wordpress.com/2006/10/04/offshoring-benefit-for-startups/ btw Pakistan population is 1/50th (approax) of India ;) so we can't compare Pakistan and India IT market on same scale. cheers, -Santosh Gareth,
The latest reports on offshoring …. http://www.acm.org/globalizationreport/pdf/fullfinal.pdf

Find more about that in my blog
http://smallpanda.wordpress.com/2006/10/04/principles-that-all-countries-can-follow-to-mount-an-effective-response-to-offshoring/
http://smallpanda.wordpress.com/2006/10/04/offshoring-benefit-for-startups/

btw Pakistan population is 1/50th (approax) of India ;) so we can’t compare Pakistan and India IT market on same scale.

cheers,
-Santosh

]]> By: Leah http://www.oneafrikan.com/archives/2005/02/18/india-pakistan-and-south-africa-as-offshore-options-for-software-development/#comment-43504 Leah Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:01:27 +0000 http://www.oneafrikan.com/archives/2005/02/18/india-pakistan-and-south-africa-as-offshore-options-for-software-development/#comment-43504 Hallo, I am a master student and i am doing my master thesis in offsourcing and offshore software development in africa. Could you please help me with as much information as you can, either in form of web links, articles or reports, anything will do. Regards Leah Hallo,

I am a master student and i am doing my master thesis in offsourcing and offshore software development in africa. Could you please help me with as much information as you can, either in form of web links, articles or reports, anything will do.

Regards
Leah

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